Dark Bet Poker
- Betting limits apply to the amount a player may open or raise, and come in four common forms: no limit, pot limit (the two collectively called big bet poker), fixed limit, and spread limit. All such games have a minimum bet as well as the stated maximums, and also commonly a betting.
- Donk-betting — leading into the preflop aggressor — used to be one of the greatest sins a poker player could commit. Back in the hay day of Limit Hold’em, as No-Limit was gaining popularity, most players c-bet.
Rebuy or freezeout, Turbo or deep stack. Doesn’t matter what your speed, we have the perfect tournaments for you! In between all the scheduled action grab a seat at one of our high octane sit ‘n. A player is said to be taking a betting action in the dark if they take that action before seeing the card (s) that are dealt just prior to the betting round. The most common uses of this phrase are to check in the dark and to bet in the dark.
So, first of all who can do it? I'm fairly confident that the first to act can do it. But what about everyone else? Seems like dark betting as anyone else but UTG is kinda the same as betting out of turn. But yet one seems acceptable and other not.
Secondly, how do you signal a dark check/bet? And more importantly is it a binding action? What kinds of signals of it and how binding does it get? For example, telling people 'Ima raise this on the flop' but doesn't, does that constitute rule breaking?
Thanks in advance to whoever can enlighten me on this. And f*** google searching, get the similar-name-syndrome sorted out already...
I see it done on TV. But I'm wondering what the actual rules on it are, googling it turned up fruitless thanks to a TV series called 'poker after dark' with a similar search name.
So, first of all who can do it? I'm fairly confident that the first to act can do it. But what about everyone else? Seems like dark betting as anyone else but UTG is kinda the same as betting out of turn. But yet one seems acceptable and other not.
Secondly, how do you signal a dark check/bet? And more importantly is it a binding action? What kinds of signals of it and how binding does it get? For example, telling people 'Ima raise this on the flop' but doesn't, does that constitute rule breaking?
Thanks in advance to whoever can enlighten me on this. And f*** google searching, get the similar-name-syndrome sorted out already...
The search works better if you leave out the word poker. Google is smart enough to know what you want if you just search 'checking in the dark' or 'rules for checking in the dark'
That said, since these tend to be non-standard strategies and procedures, if it's allowed, it is best to verbalize the intention and have the dealer repeat or acknowledge it.
These questions, and a lot more, are covered in my post: Introduction to poker in a Casino Poker Room.
TV series called 'poker after dark'
Ahhhh... I miss seeing Shana Hiatt each night.
I see it done on TV. But I'm wondering what the actual rules on it are, googling it turned up fruitless thanks to a TV series called 'poker after dark' with a similar search name.
So, first of all who can do it? I'm fairly confident that the first to act can do it. But what about everyone else? Seems like dark betting as anyone else but UTG is kinda the same as betting out of turn. But yet one seems acceptable and other not.
Secondly, how do you signal a dark check/bet? And more importantly is it a binding action? What kinds of signals of it and how binding does it get? For example, telling people 'Ima raise this on the flop' but doesn't, does that constitute rule breaking?
Thanks in advance to whoever can enlighten me on this. And f*** google searching, get the similar-name-syndrome sorted out already...
There is no rule that says you have to look at your cards. You can do anything you want in the dark, fold, check, bet, raise. But there is no rule that says you have to look at your cards.
basically you can do whatever you want as to check, bet, fold or raise if it's your turn to act. if you are heads up, for example and player A who is closest to the button 'checks in the dark' player B can bet in the dark before the card hits the table. I think these rules play out the same just about everywhere. it goes without saying if 3 people check in the dark in turn, the 4th can do the same, wait for the card, or bet.
signaling a dark check, in my experience, has always been verbal so that the table and most importantly the dealer hears the declaration. a person who says something like 'im gonna raise this on the flop' is acting out of turn. his 'raise' isn't and shouldn't be binding. it goes to table talk, imo. (he cant raise if he's first to act) so if there are 4 people to act before 'im gonna raise this flop' and he utters it when the card is hitting the felt, the action isn't binding. on the other hand if player A bets and it's his turn and he speaks those words, then he must raise.
a famous example of this was the '2005 wsop' at least I think it was that year and Doyle Brunson was down to 55 people or so and he stated and the dealer heard him that he is going all in and only pushed a few chips over the line, the player didn't hear Doyle and said I'm gonna raise it, and the dealer said you cant raise it, he's all in, the player said, oh I fold then, but it was too late and the floor ruled he had to put all the chips in to cover Texas Dolly's bet and Doyles' 10's got busted by A-7 or something like that.
if a guy is continuously angle shooting, by putting chips into the pot when its not his turn, he should be removed from the game. I hope this helps some.
There is no rule that says you have to look at your cards. You can do anything you want in the dark, fold, check, bet, raise. But there is no rule that says you have to look at your cards.
By 'dark', I think he means, before the next round of betting, not before he has seen his cards.
By 'dark', I think he means, before the next round of betting, not before he has seen his cards.
Oh, okay. Nevermind.
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On Monday, a new Season 12 episode of Poker After Dark (PAD) aired on PokerGO. The episode, titled “One Bourbon, One Shot, and No Fear”, was played in a hybrid cash game format, meaning blinds started at $25/$50 and then escalated to $50/$100 and $100/$200. The buy-in was $20,000 with a single rebuy permitted.
Among those in action were Sam Soverel, Jake Daniels, Chris Johnson, Alex Ding, Justin Young, and Jonathan Little, who was making his first appearance on PAD.
“Getting to play on Poker After Dark, a show I watched every time it came on TV as a young poker play, was an amazing experience,” he told PokerNews. “The environment was immaculate and the games were tough!”
Big Hands from PAD
Alex Ding vs. Justin Young
Ding raised the button to $175 holding the and Young three-bet to $600 after looking down at the in the small blind. Ding called and then bet $450 after Young checked the flop.
Young called and then checked when the turn gave him a set. Ding checked behind and the completed the board on the river. Young bet just $400 and Ding, who improved to aces up, raised to $2,000.
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Young took his time before popping it to $6,800 and Ding quickly called only to see the $15,800 pot pushed to his opponent.
Chris Johnson vs. Alex Ding
Johnson raised to $150 from the hijack holding the and Ding three-bet to $550 from the button with the . Both blinds folded, Johnson called, and the flop came down .
Johnson checked and Ding bet $450 with his flush draw. Johnson called and spiked a set on the turn, which also gave Ding an up-and-down straight draw. Johnson check-called another bet, this time $1,900, and the bricked the river.
Johnson checked, Ding bluffed all in for $5,550, and Johnson snap-called to win the $16,975 pot. With that, Ding was left to rebuy for $20,000.
Jonathan Little vs. Alex Ding
With a $100 straddle on, Little raised to $250 with the in the cutoff and Ding three-bet to $1,000 holding the on the button. Action folded back to Little and he called to see a flop of .
Little check-called a bet of $800 and then checked the turn, which gave Ding a club flush draw. Ding bet $2,800, Little called, and the completed the board on the river. Little checked for the third time and folded when Ding bet $4,000. Ship the $13,425 pot to Ding.
Chris Johnson vs. Jonathan Little
Johnson straddled to $100 with what turned out to be the and Little raised to $300 under the gun with the . Ding called next to act with the , Johnson put in the additional $200, and it was three-way action to the flop.
Johnson checked, Little bet $700 with the nut flush draw, and Ding folded. Johnson opted to call with his gutshot and backdoor club draw, and he hit the former on the turn. Johnson checked and Little, who made top pair to go with his diamond draw, bet $2,000.
Johnson paused for a few beats before moving all in and Little called off the $10,000 he had behind to create a $26,575 pot.
The duo agreed to run the river twice, but neither the on the first nor on the second helped Little.
Sam Soverel vs. Alex Ding
With a double straddle to $400 on, Johnson raised to $1,000 holding the and Ding reraised to $4,200 with the in the small blind. Soverel, who had straddled under the gun to $200, looked down at the and opted to move all in for $15,725.
Action folded back to Ding and he called to create a $32,950 pot. It was a flip and the competitors opted to run it twice. On the first, the flop gave Ding a set and burned an ace for Soverel. The turn gave Soverel a flush draw, and he hit it on the river to secure half the pot.
On the second run, the flop paired Soverel and left Ding in dire straits. Neither the turn nor river helped Ding and he sent the majority of his chips over to Soverel.
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Little’s SNG Strategies
Little, a frequent contributor to PokerNews.com, is slated to appear on PAD episodes over the next four weeks. His “Lesson Learned” week of a $5,000 SNG airs on March 8 and 15 and features Little,James Romero, Matt Affleck, Justin Saliba, Faraz Jaka, and Brad Owen.
“When I first started playing poker, I played sit-n-gos,” said Little. “They force you to know how to play well deep-stacked, shallow stacked, at a full table, at a short table, and heads-up. If you are not a well-rounded poker player, you will be at a severe disadvantage in them.”
He continued: “All you really have to do to succeed at poker is find a game you can beat, play it a lot, and keep a proper bankroll. Finding a game you can beat is easier said than done though. While you often cannot control your opponents’ skill levels, you can control yours. If you do everything in your power to understand and implement a fundamentally sound poker strategy better than your opponents, you will have an advantage over them, resulting in the money flowing your way.”
One way Little has not only developed sound poker strategies but also shares it regularly with poker players is via his renowned PokerCoaching.com.
“I made PokerCoaching.com to be the training site I wish I had as a new poker player, and also the site I want today to ensure I remain at the top of the game,” he said. “Unlike most training sites that only offer pre-recorded videos, PokerCoaching.com is incredibly interactive. It has quizzes, private live webinars, private streams where you can interact with our world-class coaches in real time, game theory optimal charts in an easy-to-use app, and in-depth courses that cover every aspect of the game. Try it for free at PokerCoaching.com/free.”
Win $5,000 Seat to Play on PAD
Right now, PokerCoaching is giving poker fans an opportunity to join Little on PAD by giving away a $5,000 buy-in to compete in a Season 13 episode.
To enter the free giveaway all you need to do is enter your email address. There are also additional ways to unlock extra entries such as referring friends and following PokerCoaching on Twitter. The competition closes on July 31, 2021.
“I am excited to be able to give away one $5,000 buy-in seat to play with me in a sit-n-go on Poker After Dark next season,” Little explained. “Head over to PokerCoaching.com/pokerafterdark to enter the free giveaway. Good luck!”
Remember, Poker After Dark will air every Monday but is only available to PokerGO subscribers. If you’re not currently subscribed, you can get a monthly subscription for $14.99, a three-month plan for $29.99, and an annual subscription for $99.99.
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